Meeting - Website Groups - 12-02-2008

Otter shouts, "Ajax is hosting the "Groups on the new website" meeting here in the Pit of Insomnia. If you wish to create group of your own on the website, type 'tired' and come on down!"

Hallow arrives with a large yawn.

Hallow has arrived.

Darklett arrives with a large yawn.

Darklett has arrived.

Jove arrives with a large yawn.

Jove has arrived.

Darklett goes Out Of Character.

Jove goes Out Of Character.

Jove says, "Eh wot."

Ajax waves to all. ^.^

Otter says, "So, here's what we're trying to get to behave."

Otter says, "Anyone can create a group. It does NOT require an admin or anything."

Otter says, "Each group ends up with a "group page" and appears on a list of groups."

Otter says, "If you go there now, for instance, you'll see two groups."

Otter says, "Each group also gets a forum."

Mayeul arrives with a large yawn.

Mayeul has arrived.

Otter says, "We couldn't find how to make your "current forum" work. But, we can move the topics from the old forum to the new and drop the old forum."

Otter says, "So, you won't lose any of the posts are anything."

Otter says, "I'm not precisely sure what happens if you want the name of the current forum the same. We may need to rename the current, then have you create the group, the move the topics."

Mayeul goes Out Of Character.

Otter says, "The creator of a group can designate the group as either "open join" (anyone auto-joins), "Moderated" (so a person requests to join and an email is sent to the group owne), or invite-only and closed."

Otter says, "Right now, the contents of teh forum topics "appear" on the group page (just like comments do)."

Sharpclaw arrives with a large yawn.

Sharpclaw has arrived.

Sharpclaw goes Out Of Character.

Otter says, "Also, group pages can be created (and put into a book). Group pages are editable by any member of a group."

Zoe_Lang backs. Scrolls and reads. XD

Otter says, "So, that gives us pages that anyone can edit (the help page type), that only owners can edit (page), and pages that group members can edit (Group Collaborative page)."

Flare arrives with a large yawn.

Flare has arrived.

Jocosa arrives with a large yawn.

Jocosa has arrived.

Otter says, "Right now, the email notification is being a nuisance so Heartwood's making it work here as on the test site, which is why I'm talking and she's pounding things into Drupal."

Otter says, "I'm not yet sure what the permissions will do in the forums. "

Otter asks, "Now, what more things would you like, while we've got a chance to be here?"

Jove shrugs. "Ehh.. member titles?"

Zoe_Lang asks, "Wow, groups can be private?"

Otter says, "Sure."

Zoe_Lang says, "Interesting."

Otter says, "And they can 'appear' for joining on the account creation page if checked to do so."

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "Very nice!"

Otter says, "By checking Registration Form. Assuming that appears as a choice for non-web-masters. (I have a view of the system that includes things non-webmasters don't have)."

You say, "Member titles may be doable with an add-on"

Sharpclaw goes home.

Sharpclaw has left.

You say, "I can't quite remember if I turned off all the "show on registration page" stuff or left it up to the group creator"

Zoe_Lang says, "I see an option for 'List in groups directory'..."

Zoe_Lang asks, "What is the 'broadcast' tab?"

Zoe_Lang says, "Oh, I know. Read the FAQ."

Zoe_Lang says, "or not. What's the broadcast tab? XD"

You say, "If you have a question that isn't in the faq, feel free to put the question in. It's a help page."

You say, "I don't think I've seen a broadcast tab yet, it might be in the thngs I just turned on."

Zoe_Lang nods. XD

Zoe_Lang says, "I've only seen it on the groups page I just created."

Malini arrives with a large yawn.

Malini has arrived.

Malini goes Out Of Character.

Zoe_Lang says, "It says 'send message to Long Patrol' at the top."

Otter says, "I bet that goes out via email."

Otter says, "If so ... it needs to be either disabled or captcha'd."

Zoe_Lang tests it.

Otter says, "Yes ... I'm back to worrying about the spam-bot stuff."

You say, "Otter, tried sending Rosella's join request to RW again"

Otter says, "OK. It's not yet come in."

Zoe_Lang says, "I think it sends to the 'My Unread' tab that appeared when the groups stuff appeared."

Zoe_Lang says, "Or perhaps not..."

Zoe_Lang says, "Hm."

Otter doesn't have a "My Unread" tab.

Otter says, "I may need to "blow away and re-create" the group yet again."

Zoe_Lang says, "Hm. It's along the right, just below 'My Profile' for me."

Otter says, "Oh, I thought you meant along the top of the group page."

Otter says, "I see it there."

Zoe_Lang says, "No, yeah."

You say, "I don't think that's it..."

Zoe_Lang says, "But it appeared after the groups features went in, so far as I can guess."

Otter says, "Looks like it's tracking unread posts in the groups' forums."

You aren't carrying anything.

You have 2001 OOC building credits.

You say, "I think it tracks forums, period"

Zoe_Lang says, "When I sent a test message, it said '1 queued post waiting to be delivered' or something."

Otter says, "I saw the same."

Otter says, "And I didn't see the broadcast go anywhere."

Zoe_Lang says, "Very odd."

Zoe_Lang says, "Hm. I don't know about anyone else, but I always find it difficult to know what to ask for, because I'm not sure what sort of options are available. XD"

Zoe_Lang says, "I'm perhaps not very creative in that way. XD"

You say, "They're set to queue until the site cron task by default. I'm un-setting it."

Otter says, "Think what you miss from the old site, and what the old site didn't let you do that you wanted."

Otter says, "And ask."

Zoe_Lang says, "Fair enough. Hm."

Zoe_Lang says, "One thing I loved from the old site - the tables."

Zoe_Lang asks, "Is that possible with drupal, or no?"

You ask, "Tables? If you mean can you do them in HTML on pages, yes."

Zoe_Lang says, "You didn't have to use html."

You ask, "Did the messages push through or do I need to manualy trigger the cron task?"

Malini has disconnected.

Zoe_Lang says, "I haven't been able to find it."

Zoe_Lang says, "Like this: http://redwall.muck.limitless.org/groups/long_patrol/groups/long_patrol/lp-divisions/document_view"

Zoe_Lang says, "Which looked like this:"

|-------------------------------------|

| Patrol 1 | Patrol 2 | Patrol 3 |

|=====================================|

Zoe_Lang says, "And then it would spit out the nice table. XD"

Otter says, "I think they called that the "formatted text" style."

Zoe_Lang says, "Yes."

Otter says, "I never used it for tables, but I used it for most of my pages."

Zoe_Lang says, "It was lovely. :)"

Zoe_Lang says, "Well, I liked it, anyway. XD"

Otter says, "I found it pretty sensible most of the time."

Heartwood tweaks more knobs and pushes the cronjob button

Otter can make the cron-job hit every minute or two.

You say, "Zoe, I think to make that work, someone would have had to make an input filter that could understand and process the formatted text that plone used"

Otter says, "It's amazing how once something goes public it fails."

>> The game will paws in two minutes to save changed objects. <<

You say, "Bah, that's not the problem so much as me spending three hours trying to make a customized link block and breaking things in the process...""

Otter says, "I just got emails...."

>> Pawsing to save changed objects. <<

>> Save Complete. Next save will be in an hour or so. <<

Darklett ers.

You ask, "The push worked then?"

Otter says, "Seems to."

Zoe_Lang says, "Oh, yeah. I just got them too."

Otter says, "And the broadcast DOES go email."

Darklett says, "I didn't like the formatted text style because it turned single quotes into weird "code" blocks in the HTML generation of the text."

Mayeul has disconnected.

Zoe_Lang says, "That WAS annoying, yes."

Otter hehs.

Otter says, "I dropped into

blocks when needed."

Otter says, "Fortunately, most of what I wrote on the old site was just basic text."

Otter says, "On the new site, the broadcast ... I bet only the group admin has that option."

You say, "Darklett, in the long run it's probably a low priority. However if anyone were to hit up drupal.org, "search downloads" for such a thing and actualy find one, it could be poked at. It wouldn't replace the html default stuff."

You say, "Otter, that appears to be correct."

Zoe_Lang will have to poke someone to help her make an HTML table, then. Dark? XD

Darklett asks, "What? Oh, okay."

Darklett grins.

Zoe_Lang says, "For the division listings. XD"

Darklett says, "Well get on AIM then. :P"

Otter says, "This is weird. Heartwood, I approved your join request. But, the group still shows only one member."

You say, "Another option, I could poke Nekenyu to see if he can make a table code generator for the gui buttons on the editor"

Otter says, "Or a table builder could be built in-MU easily enough."

Otter says, "So you can run a little MPI prog that dumps out your table."

Otter says, "And then paste it in."

Zoe_Lang says, "That would be handy, also."

Zoe_Lang says, "Whatever's easiest. :)"

Otter says, "If you _already_ keep an accurate in-game list, that would be easiset."

Otter says, "Because you'd have only ONE master source."

You say, "In short, though, some way to easily make tables, check."

Zoe_Lang says, "Dark, can you go to http://rwmuck.limitless.org/rwmuck/groups/long-patrol? I added you as a member. I want to see if you can see the 'broadcast'."

Otter asks, "Zoe, when you added him, does he show up in the list of members?"

Zoe_Lang says, "Yeah, he did."

Otter hms.

Zoe_Lang says, "I have the option to make him an admin of the group, too."

Otter shakes his head. "Incredible."

Otter says, "My aura at work."

Heartwood breaks out the exorcisim gear

Otter says, "Actually, this has been a worse week for usual. My aura took out a PCIe motherboard slot and the AC in my car as well as the group working for everyone but me."

You ask, "Does anyone have feature requests that are specificly related to groups?"

You ask, "It got your car? That *is* worse than usual."

Otter asks, "Where/how does one set permissions for who can post in the forum?"

Otter says, "However, the car is under warranty, so they are having to deal with it tomorrow at their expense."

Otter says, "Also, Zoe, notice when you create the group it probably made another forum."

Otter says, "So, Zoe, go to one of the topics in your old forum. Do you have an 'edit' choice on it?"

Zoe_Lang says, "I saw something about that when I was scanning up for what I missed while I was gone."

Zoe_Lang says, "I do have."

Otter says, "Oooh, they both have the same name. That's sorta scary."

Zoe_Lang says, "Ha. :p"

Otter says, "Well ... if you go 'edit', you'll see a choice near the top, a drop-down, where it will let you move the topic to another forum."

Otter says, "See if you can mvoe it to the 'new' long patrol..."

You say, "Zoe won't, because she doesn't have permissions for it on the old forum. I think I can grant her them for the forum though."

You say, "Unless they're all her own posts"

You say, "Then she can move as she pleases."

Otter says, "Ah."

Zoe_Lang says, "I don't seem to be able to move it into the new long patrol forum."

Mini-Adyna arrives with a large yawn.

Mini-Adyna has arrived.

Otter hms.

Otter says, "Zoe, I'm going to see if I can re-name the "old" forum."

Otter says, "So that there's no risk of moving things from or to the wrong place..."

Ajax waves to the new arrival.

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "K!"

Otter hms. "I hvae no way to tell which is 'new' and which is 'old'.

You say, "New one should have zero posts."

Otter pokes into the underlying URL.

Otter says, "Can't see that from the 'edit forum' page."

You say, "Node number of newer one should also be higher, yeah"

Otter says, "There."

Otter says, "Now there's Long Patrol and Long Patrol (Original)"

You say, "I need to do more poking at the url aliases when this current dust settles...I found the setting to fix one issue with them, I need to figure out how to make it handle duplicates gracefully"

Otter says, "So, during this few minutes of moving of things, there won't be any ... incidents."

Otter says, "Zoe, hold a second, and I'll move all your topics over."

Zoe_Lang says, "So, if you make someone else an admin for your group, they are able to see the broadcast tab."

Otter says, "It's a one-time admin thing."

You say, "Sak, I gave her the role so she can move her own"

Otter says, "Ah. OK."

You say, "Also, only one admin per group. It's hard-coded that way until someone hard-codes it otherwise."

Otter ums.

Zoe_Lang says, "It doesn't appear so."

Zoe_Lang says, "Me and Darklett are listed as admins for LP now."

Otter asks, "Zoe, didn't you say you _made_ another admin?"

You say, "um..."

Otter wasn't quick enough.

Otter says, "It's probably one hard-coded owner."

You say, "Ok, you're officialy ahead of me. What Otter just said."

Zoe_Lang grins.

Mini-Adyna goes home.

Mini-Adyna has left.

Darklett air guitars.

Zoe_Lang says, "So in theory you could make everyone an admin and everyone could e-mail messages to each other. :p *snerks* That's a tad odd."

Otter says, "I think we could setup a mail-list for that, though."

Otter says, "Instead of making everyone an admin."

Zoe_Lang says, "It occurs to me that people ought to be made aware of the e-mail thing, 'lest it freak anyone out. XD"

Zoe_Lang says, "Yes. XD I just found it amusing."

Otter says, "And it needs a captcha, or we'll need to disable it."

Zoe_Lang says, "Aye."

Zoe_Lang says, "Brb, baby duty."

Otter hehs.

You say, "Gah, too many things at once"

Jocosa has disconnected.

Otter adds "captcha or remove" to the list.

You say, "I've twiddles a coupple knobs in the captcha module but I don't know if they're the right ones"

You ask, "So check it out?"

Otter says, "No captcha appears in the 'broadcast' page."

Zoe_Lang says, "That broadcast feature will be super handy for getting out info on events."

Zoe_Lang says, "Hmmm."

Otter says, "Keep in mind, if you use a broadcast it will only go to current members."

Zoe_Lang says, "Yes."

Otter says, "So, you might broadcast a URL to a puglic note."

Otter says, "But, if it IS only meant for members, that's fine."

Otter says, "I believe there's a way to mark a page as only readable by members."

Otter says, "So you can have "group only" areas, as well as "group only _postable_"."

Zoe_Lang says, "Reeeally."

Otter asks, "Heartwood?"

You say, "Yes."

You say, "that one is in the faq"

Zoe_Lang says, "And you can connect books to the group page."

Zoe_Lang asks, "Yes?"

Otter says, "Or put group pages into the books."

Zoe_Lang asks, "You two were talking about the group collaborative page option?"

Otter says, "Right, the 'public' checkbox in the 'groups' section."

Zoe_Lang says, "Lovely. Hm."

Otter says, "So, Zoe, instead of doing long broadcast, consider writing something that's private to the group and just broadcasting the URL link."

Otter says, "Also, that will leave things available for comment and editing later."

Zoe_Lang says, "That's very neat."

You say, "You can add about any content to a group, the "group colaboritive" page is there to make doing that need minimum fuss"

Zoe_Lang says, "So those appear basically like comments."

Otter asks, "Any pages becomes 'group aware' if the audience is set in the 'group' section right?"

You say, "Yes."

You say, "I need a cup of tea, afk a bit"

Flare says, "Uhm, this may or may not be related, but I'm getting a few PHP errors on the My Groups page. Just a heads up after the storm's completely blown through."

Otter says, "And, Zoe, the 'group page' is where you can setup the links to other things you create for a 'basic starting place'."

Otter says, "Which can link to something in a book if you wanted that for group stuff."

Zoe_Lang nods. Very nift, okay.

Otter says, "The only odd bit is we don't store image files, so those require an image tag to a file on another web-account you would already have somewhere."

You say, "Flare, I see. Wasn't anything I did, will look later to see if it's a known bug."

Zoe_Lang asks, "So - are the old group forums going to be deleted? I may've missed that convo."

Otter says, "As soon as the topics are moved from the old to the new forum, the old forum (which will be empty) will be deleted."

Zoe_Lang says, "K."

Zoe_Lang says, "I requested membership to the Order group, Ott. Try to add me?"

Otter says, "OK, as soon as the email comes in."

Zoe_Lang asks, "And could someone request membership to LP? Curious how that works."

Flare also requested membership to LP. Did you get it, Zoe?

Flare says, "Oh snap, my timing is awesomeness."

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "Yay! "

Zoe_Lang checks. XD

Zoe_Lang says, "It came through. XD"

Flare says, "Coooool."

Otter sighs.

Otter says, "I clicked on the "approve" Zoe. But it didn't add you."

Otter says, "I'm going to destroy and re-create this group."

Otter says, "Something is hosed."

Heartwood returns. Gets out the BIG wrench.

Zoe_Lang says, "Worked for LP, so yeah. Something with yours for sure."

Ripclaw arrives with a large yawn.

Ripclaw has arrived.

Otter says, "Like I said, my aura."

Ripclaw room-pages, "Sorry I'm late XP".

Ajax waves to Ripclaw!

Otter says, "This is why I don't use me as a test-basis."

Zoe_Lang says, "You are approved, Flare. XD"

Ajax exclaims, "Hooray! "

Flare says, "Yay."

Ripclaw waves back

Flare says, "Now to convince Zoe that Ender really did run himself into a knife. -.-"

Zoe_Lang giggles. XD

Flare grins.

You say, "Otter, wait..."

Otter says, "OK."

You say, "I don't know what closing the group will do to the forum."

Otter says, "I know."

Otter says, "I'm going to make a new group."

Otter says, "And then move the messages."

You say, "Ok."

Otter says, "And THEN delete the old group."

Heartwood whews

( Otter deletes. Forums go kaplooie. )

Zoe_Lang says, "Okay, I'm trying to see what the point of it is, but what is this 'faces' tab... Humph."

Heartwood smacks Ajax on a hunch.

Otter says, "She worries because my way of "fixing" things is often terminal."

Ajax ows.

Flare teehees.

You say, "Yes, I do, and then hear him rant about it on Skype for an hour or so."

Zoe_Lang asks, "Will the old site be up for the whole of December?"

Otter says, "Yes."

Zoe_Lang says, "Good. K."

Otter says, "But once I have the boxes hauled out of the ISP, they'll never powerup again ... which will be the end of the year."

Zoe_Lang says, "Aye. XD"

Zoe_Lang says, "Okay, I need to put this kid to bed. Bad mama. XD Be back."

You say, "I still find it vaguely facinating that Zoe has kids. o.o"

You say, "In that "Wow, we've grown up" way."

Flare exclaims, "Yeah, I always found it vaguely disturbing when I'm RPing and the other person's going, 'Oh noes, I need to make sure my kid doesn't find his way into the dog food!'"

Ripclaw asks, "okay, so how do the new group pages work exactly? "

Ripclaw asks, "or are we still working that out?"

You say, "To create a new group, create content -> group"

>> The game will paws in two minutes to save. This will take a while. <<

Otter says, "OK, I deleted the old group."

Otter says, "When you delete a group, it asks if you want to pick a group to move members and messages to."

Otter says, "So, it's very smart abou tit."

Otter says, "Of course, I'd already manually moved all three topics."

>> Pawsing to save database. This will take a while. <<

>> Save Complete. Next save will be in an hour or so. <<

Otter says, "And ... new topics are being 'mailed' to me. This is interesting."

You say, "Right...that can be turned off"

Heartwood foot taps

Kaikoura arrives with a large yawn.

Kaikoura has arrived.

Ajax waves.

Otter says, "I think it's fine."

Otter says, "New topics don't come up all that often."

You say, "Flare, confirming that the drupal devs in question know about the bug you mentioned"

You say, "So hopefully, a fix is in the pipe there"

Flare asks, "Want a copy & paste of the bug?"

You say, "No, I can see it fine"

Flare says, "Okay."

You say, "Sak, getting emails for all the stuff would drive me nuts. So I'm turning it off unless someone specificly wants it."

Flare asks, "Does that affect the group messages at all??"

Otter says, "OK."

You say, "It shouldn't."

Otter's voice floats into your mind and he says "Have Rosella try to join the order again please." (to you)

You page, "sent" to Otter.

Otter's voice floats into your mind and he says "Thanks." (to you)

Otter says, "OK, Heartwood, I click on the 'approve' link in the email. It takes me to the groups page. It doesn't add you to the grop."

Otter says, "But, it shows the group as "1 member (1)" which I assume means "One approved, one pending.""

Otter says, "Where I am approved."

Otter says, "So ... is there something about the approve link that's hosed?"

Zoe_Lang says, "Back am I."

Otter says, "Re."

Zoe_Lang says, "Danke."

Otter asks, "Zoe, when you clicked the link for Darklett from the email, was that ALL you needed to do?"

Otter hms.

Darklett says, "I didn't apply."

Otter says, "Also, it shows that the Order of Redwall is 1 week and 3 days old."

Darklett says, "She granted me herself."

Otter ahs.

Otter says, "I bet the name is tangled up somwhere in a bad way."

Zoe_Lang says, "Oh, Otter."

Zoe_Lang says, "It says it will automatically approve, but it doesn't. You have to manually do it."

Otter asks, "Where?"

Zoe_Lang says, "Go to the list tab."

Zoe_Lang says, "There will be an approve or deny option."

Zoe_Lang says, "Er."

Zoe_Lang says, "You click on 1 members (1) or whatever it says for you."

Zoe_Lang says, "And then the list tab."

Darklett wanted to get in some RP tonight. Hm.

Kaikoura has left.

Otter says, "Thank you."

Otter says, "So the email IS wrong."

Zoe_Lang is going to be RPing in just a little bit.

Zoe_Lang says, "Aye."

Otter says, "The "instant approve" is busted."

Kaikoura has arrived.

Kaikoura has left.

Otter says, "OK, Heartwood, it's approved now."

You say, "I don't see that it's a actual feature (or any bug report for it), but I can edit the email notification with instructions on doing it manualy"

Otter says, "That would be excellent."

Otter says, "I think with Long Patrol and Order of Redwall both active we should be able to gather some concerns."

Otter says, "The only real issue I have open is "captcha to protect broadcast email" and disallowing adding anyone to a group "without their consent" (so that someone can't make an account, add everyone, and do a 'broadcast' and zap them all with porn spam)."

Zoe_Lang says, "Wow, that would suck."

Otter hehs.

Otter says, "In security, you don't think of what's nice, you htink how to violate."

Zoe_Lang asks, "But still giving the option of adding people and giving them the option to reject, I hope?"

You say, "Yeah. I see hints of being able to add the captcha but no actual instructions"

Otter asks, "When you added Darklett, was there ANY action on his part?"

Darklett says, "Nope."

Otter says, "That's dangerous."

Zoe_Lang says, "You may want to disable the 'invite a friend' option, then."

Zoe_Lang says, "Because it looks like you can just put in a username and it sends them an e-mail with a message."

Otter says, "That's ... not good."

Otter says, "We've got the MU which is a great way to invite friends."

You ask, "Otter or Zoe, what actualy appears under the List tab to approve group membership?"

Jove has connected.

Otter says, "Under "Manage" colum it says "Approve or Deny"."

Jove has disconnected.

Otter says, "And you click which choice you want."

Zoe_Lang says, "There's like three... columns, ish. And - yeah."

You say, "That works"

Otter says, "I wonder ... if I should worry about "order member" vs "resident.""

Otter says, "Or just make another group. Hmm."

Otter says, "Bah."

Zoe_Lang asks, "Is there any way for the group forum to appear on the main group page? So that you can see all the '3 topics' and new reply nonsense?"

Otter says, "That's too much trouble. I"ll update the description to include everyone."

Otter says, "It does on mine."

Otter says, "No ... it appears as COMMENTS on mine actually."

Zoe_Lang says, "Does it."

Otter says, "So, you have the "bloggish appearance"."

Otter says, "Sure, hit the Order group page."

Otter says, "If you don't see it, you may need to join first."

Zoe_Lang asks, "Mightn't that get spammy?"

Otter says, "It will be at the bottom at least ..."

Zoe_Lang says, "Membership requested."

Zoe_Lang says, "I suppose. So is not possible for it just to be linked to from the groups page, instead of appearing blog-style?"

Zoe_Lang asks, "Heartwood?"

You say, "Yes. Soon(tm)."

Otter hehs.

Zoe_Lang awesomes. :) Thanks.

Otter says, "I need to get going. Zoe, I'll approve you as soon as the email arrives."

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "Thanks!"

Otter bows.

Flare waves.

Otter says, "And now, back to work. Keep the Light, everybeast!"

You say, "Later, Sak"

Otter quietly slips out.

Otter has left.

Zoe_Lang asks, "Sak? XD"

Marie has arrived.

You say, "You're old enough to have heard Sak..."

You say, "Because Otter can't spell his way out of a wet payper sak..."

Ajax exclaims, "Marie!"

Zoe_Lang says, "I may be old enough, but I wasn't a mentor or H/V back in the day. XD So if it was a staff thing. XD"

You say, "Old, old, *old* staff joke, yeah."

Zoe_Lang says, "Aha. XD"

Ajax exclaims, "Hooray! "

Marie meeps. "And here I was just hoping to slide in. You guys long since done discussing things? I just got home from work." x.x

Zoe_Lang gives pats!

You say, "Otter left but I'm around."

Ajax gives Marie pillow.

Zoe_Lang says, "We did lots of fiddling around and checking back on each other. It was helpful. XD"

Flare says, "It's okay, we've all just been drooling over Youtube vids of David Cook."

Zoe_Lang says, "..."

Zoe_Lang says, "That too."

Zoe_Lang beams.

Flare says, "I mean, uhm. Going over the website."

Ajax says, ">.>;;"

Darklett says, "David Cook is wasting his talennnnnt."

You say, "I must have missed that part. ;p"

Marie laughs.

Darklett says, "At least he didn't go the Daughtry route, I guess."

Zoe_Lang considers whether to admit she hasn't a clue who David Cook is or just google him...

Flare says, "... And I think I might have just put a preliminary hole in the wall with my feet."

Darklett says, "David Cook, Zoe."

Darklett says, "He won American Idol. We talked over this."

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "Oh God, but I have no memory for names! Ha."

Darklett asks, "Remember? When we discussed American Idol every week? :P"

Zoe_Lang says, "See, damn it, I should have googled him first instead of being an idiot. XD"

Zoe_Lang practically loved the guy. Geeze.

Darklett says, "Yes you did. XD"

Zoe_Lang shame spirals.

Flare patpats.

Zoe_Lang says, "Also - tsk on the foot hole, Flare."

Zoe_Lang says, "Unless, you know. You wanted it."

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "In which case, more bully you! XD"

Ajax eews at American Idol.

Zoe_Lang kicks Ajax in the shins.

Flare says, "I knows right. Oh, well, I guess I could use the hole into the adjacent guestroom for more electrical plugs..."

You say, "So, Marie, group functions are public. Posts on your forum will have to be moved to the forum that gets auto-created when you create a new group on the site."

Ajax EWWS at American Idol LOUDER!

Flare pew-death-ray Ajax.

Zoe_Lang says, "XDD"

Zoe_Lang asks, "Speaking of that, am I supposed to be able to move the post on my forum myself?"

Ajax is fried kitty.

Marie nods at Heartwood. "Alright... just created the group, I think, so can I move them from the old forum?"

Zoe_Lang says, "Because I tried, and couldn't."

Zoe_Lang says, "Unless I'm an idiot (again). XD"

Zoe_Lang starts to fear that she's an idiot. Someone respond! Ack.

You say, "If you made the original post yourself, you can. If someone else did I'll either have to do it or temporarily give you perms for it."

Ajax becomes ghost like Heartwood, dances at squirrel group creation!

Flare exclaims, "Quick, she's choking! Someone get the defibrillator!"

You say, "Zoe, I did give you perms, so you should be able to do it all yourself"

Flare says, "Spellcheck is fails."

Zoe_Lang says, "Okay, so. What I see - the forums drop down. Aye? I see Group Forums and I see Long Patrol (Original), but I don't see the new one listed as a viable one to move it to."

Marie says, "Heartwood, I'm not seeing a way to change posts from one to the other... yeah. What Zoe said."

Ripclaw says, "same here"

Zoe_Lang yays for solidarity. XD

You say, "Zoe, you go to the individual post, and the edit tab"

Ajax sends request. ^.^

Marie approveses.

Mini-Adyna arrives with a large yawn.

Mini-Adyna has arrived.

Ajax says, "^.^ "

Zoe_Lang says, "I do."

Zoe_Lang says, "Did."

You say, "Ok...it may be a setting only Otter and I have then."

Ripclaw jumps up, bouncing on the mattress. Suddenly, he gets his head stuck up in the ceiling, among the pillows! Oh, no!

You say, "I'll take care of it."

Zoe_Lang says, "Aha. K. Thanks!"

Marie says, "If you'd kindly do the same for me... Thanks!"

Ripclaw says, "Same here :P"

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "You need an assistant! XD"

You say, "I *am* the assistant ;p"

Zoe_Lang says, "Haha. XD"

Ajax lies back on the bed.

Suddenly, Ajax starts babbling rapidly and aimlessly. The fantasic tales are quite obviously lies. How odd, to suddenly begin lying!

Marie stabs Ajax.

Mini-Adyna scampers over and hugs Heartwood's legs.

Ripclaw falls down laughing.

Marie would offer to be the assistant's assistant... if I had a clue what Drupal was.

Zoe_Lang grins.

Ajax tries to fall asleep, with greatest difficulty..

Mini-Adyna says, "C'n I be th' 'ssis'ant's 'ssis'ant's, um... 'ssisant's sississisansisant?"

...because there's a knife in his chest?

Darklett bounces to a little bit of dub reggae. Hum, hum. Yeah, baby. Website. Yeaaaah.

Ripclaw tries to fall asleep, with greatest difficulty..

Jove vanishes with a big yawn into the land of Insomnia!

Jove arrives with a large yawn.

Jove has left.

Ripclaw jumps up, bouncing on the mattress. Suddenly, he gets his head stuck up in the ceiling, among the pillows! Oh, no!

Jove has arrived.

>> The game will paws in two minutes to save changed objects. <<

Jove has left.

Riverdale knocks from Riverdale's Tent.

Riverdale arrives with a large yawn.

Riverdale has arrived.

You exclaim, "Enter!"

Riverdale's eyes fall out.

Marie asks, "Not again?"

You say, "Preferably in one piece."

Ajax Glares at Heartwood, "Who do you think you are?" :P

Riverdale says, "I've just gotten back."

Ajax exclaims, "California, California, California, California, California! "

Riverdale says, "You should be a lyricist."

Ajax exclaims, "Why thank you! "

>> Pawsing to save changed objects. <<

>> Save Complete. Next save will be in an hour or so. <<

Darklett exclaims, "Buffalo, Buffalo, Buffalo, Buffalo, Buffalo!"

Riverdale hehs.

You exclaim, "Wings!""

Ajax exclaims, "Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger! ^."

Ajax says, "So...back on topic! "

Marie exclaims, "NO!"

Zoe_Lang exclaims, "Mushroom mushroom!"

Riverdale inquires, "There's a topic?"

Ajax exclaims, "Badgers!"

Riverdale says, "How... grown-up!"

Mini-Adyna scampers to Riverdale, and hugs his legs.

Riverdale pats Mini-Adyna on the head.

Mini-Adyna exclaims, "Mis'r Rev'rdeil!"

Riverdale exclaims, "The wee Miss Adyna!"

Riverdale says, "Bah. My roommate stunk up the apartment while I was gone. I thought I had consumed all perishables before leaving!"

Mini-Zoe ankle-bites.

Mini-Adyna pokes Mini-Zoe.

Riverdale says, "I'm going to bike to the grocery store."

Mini-Adyna steals Mini-Zoe's purse.

Ajax nods. ^.^

Marie says, "Heartwood... as loathe as I am to actually return to the real topic... is there a way to create other group pages?"

Riverdale goes Away From Keyboard.

You say, "Any page can be added to a group with the "audience" list, which you should see on new stuff you make, under the "body" field"

Ajax exclaims, "Yes, back to the topic! ^.^ Speak up one and all! Lad's, lasses if you've got something to say about the new RW site now is the time to do it! "

Ajax says, ">.>"

Riverdale says, "NearlyFreeSpeach -> NearlyFreeSpeech"

Viscus arrives with a large yawn.

Viscus has arrived.

Ajax waves to Viscus.

Riverdale waves.

Mini-Adyna bounces up and down.

Viscus futilely tries to open a medicine bottle.

Ajax says, "^.^"

Flare asks, "I thought Speach is how the company spelt it or whatever?"

Flare says, "Oops, guess not."

Ajax exclaims, "Welcome to the pit of DOOM! Er...Insomnia I mean! "

Viscus says, "That....disconcerts me. Talkin' about groups?"

Ajax exclaims, "Yes! "

Mini-Adyna futilely tries to open a medicine bottle.

Ajax cackles.

Ripclaw futilely tries to open a medicine bottle.

Marie has connected.

Marie kicks her connection.

Marie asks, "Heartwood, did you get my question, or no?"

Zoe_Lang helps!

The connection kicks back.

Marie kicks Ajax and Riverdale for good measure.

Zoe_Lang makes faces.

Ajax Ows.

You say, "Ok, I think that's the last pending move for the moment..."

Marie says, "Last question, I think. Can I remove a book heirarchy and just make singular pages, or do I have to recreate them?"

You say, "Yes, I think you can move it to "none" under the outline."

Marie says, "There didn't seem to be a "none"."

Malini has connected.

Ajax waves to Malini.

Riverdale waves.

Malini says, "Heyo heyo."

You say, "Hmm"

Mini-Adyna waves!

Marie says, "I've seen it before, as well as the 'Outline' option next to edit. It's not there anymore."

You say, "I know it's an option when there isn't a book assigned to it..."

Marie says, "Actually, for some reason it looks like the page isn't recognizing me as owner. It doesn't have my username on it anymore either."

Ajax says, "Hmm"

You exclaim, "Oh! There's a button, "remove from book outline"..."

You ask, "Do you see that, or just me?"

Marie asks, "Where?"

You say, "Buttons at the bottom of the outline page"

Mini-Adyna falls asleep.

Marie says, "I don't get an Outline page at all."

Marie says, "brb"

Huh? If you need help, type '+globals for a list of all MUCK commands'

You ask, "What's the link?"

Viscus heads off.

Viscus has left.

Ajax tries to fall asleep, with greatest difficulty..

Ferro arrives with a large yawn.

Ferro has arrived.

Malini has left.

Ripclaw tries to fall asleep, with greatest difficulty..

Ripclaw tries to fall asleep, with greatest difficulty..

You ask, "Marie, what's the link to the page you're trying to move?"

Ajax pokes Marie. o.O

Hallow says, "She said she'd brb :/"

You say, "Ah...right..."

Ajax exclaims, "Hallow speaks! ^."

Hallow says, "I'm half asleep and only capable of pointing out the obvious XP"

Ripclaw says, "I have a question real quick. When you edit a page and above the content box there's the Insert/edit image button, does the image have to come from a web page or can you get it from you pictures folder on the PC itself? "

Ajax says, "Well use the bed. ^."

You say, "It has to be hosted on the web."

You say, "We only do uploading for user pics."

Ripclaw says, "kk"

Ripclaw asks, "Can I upload of Image Shack or something like that?"

Darklett has left.

You say, "You can use imageshack or any other site like that, yes"

Ripclaw exclaims, "Whew! I'm saved."

Ajax makes hot chocolate! BRB! >.>

You ask, "The only thing I'd caution is that for long term storage, I think ImageShack only keeps stuff for, maybe a year? For more perminant stuff you could, for example, get a flickr account."

Hallow says, "Bed is tempting. I just wanted to hang about for the chatter. Didn't know how much of this would be logged any end up on the website and when I am sorting out group pages, probably next week, I'm going to need to look back at this stuff to work it all out XP"

Marie has disconnected.

Hallow says, "I know photobucket works. Have pictures hanging about from years back on there >.>"

You say, "I can grab a log, certianly."

Ajax pokes Marie.

Marie says, "Here, Heartwood: http://rwmuck.limitless.org/rwmuck/content/members-organization-and-joining Any of the pages in the book this is in. I transfered the text of the first page copy/paste onto the group page, so I just want single pages that I'll link together, rather than trying to keep the book layout."

Ripclaw room-pages, "I'll try that then. If I come up with some awesome feat of drawing (Unlikely)I think I would like to keep it :P".

Ajax wonders why Ripclaw is room-paging. >.>

Marie says, "Oh, and thanks for adding

to the list... for some reason it's no longer accepting . >.<"

You say, "Ack. Noted."

Ripclaw is room paging because he is a creature of habit and well...he messed up XD

Ajax ahs. ^.^

Marie says, "When you get to it. Hit return and it accepts that just fine, so we can work around it."

You ask, "For these pages, you still have edit perms on them, right?"

Marie says, "Yep."

You ask, "Just no outline tab?"

Marie nods.

Marie says, "But then, you did delete the 'book page' model from the list of options to create. Did that somehow mess with the pages of books already created?"

You say, "Ok...not that, no, but I think the issue is, I had to turn off the "administer book outlines" permission because it would allow a user to, for example, move one of the major site pages into a book, which might break stuff, which would be bad."

You say, "I was keeping my fingers crossed that it wouldn't mess with other people's books."

Marie says, "Ah."

Ferro has left.

Marie says, "It would only allow users to move them if they have permission to get into the Edit screen."

Marie says, "'Scuse me. *should*. Not would. I believe I've picked that much up."

You say, "Right."

Riverdale has disconnected.

Riverdale has connected.

Riverdale goes Out Of Character.

Riverdale makes dinner now.

Riverdale says, "And coffee. x.x"

Ajax exclaims, "You west coastie! "

Flare says, "Uhm... yay?"

Riverdale exclaims, "That's my contribution to the website!"

Ajax asks, "What, coffee? O.O"

Ripclaw goes home.

Ripclaw has left.

Riverdale says, "No. The declaration of my intent to prepare coffee."

Riverdale says, "Also, another strident plea for RSS."

Ajax exclaims, "RSS, RSS, RSS, RSS!"

Riverdale says, "As dramatized by Mini-Adyna."

You say, "Ok, I'm moving the pages from the book, one left"

You say, "Riverdale, "Soon(TM)""

Riverdale says, "Okay. That's all I need to hear."

Marie says, "Note to self: no more books."

Flare says, "And yeah, RSS would be nice."

Riverdale hugs Flare.

Riverdale exclaims, "I've waited so long to hear you say that!"

You say, "Ok, though mind it's still rather at the bottom of the to-do barrel"

Flare says, "Also, err... since you've guys sort of run the groups idea dry - is it possible to have multiple contributors to a page?"

Marie says, "Aww, crud. Heartwood, none of the HTML supports the 'style' addition. :'( Is there some reason we can't have access to real HTML?"

Flare asks, "Isn't that to disallow javascript and other trojan-creating scripts?"

You say, "That's part of it."

Flare says, "Err... trojan-downloading, I guess."

Marie looks innocent.

You say, "I can look into better ways of enabling css stuff in the filtered option...as a temporary stopgap, I can also add classes to the site's CSS"

Hallow has disconnected.

Marie grins. "CSS works for me."

You say, "I.e., I added a coupple so I could do stuff like ..."

Marie nods. "Style is probably my best friend, especially here, where I'm not going to make a whole stylesheet.

You say, "If you write the code you want for what you're trying to do, I can drop it in. But I can't do that forever, it would be too much work...hopefully there's a tidy way that doesn't need manual intervention."

Riverdale says, "You should allow JavaScript. :P"

Flare says, "Ew, no. No JavaScript."

Riverdale exclaims, "Just kidding!"

Marie says, "Okay, I lied. I have one more question. (I know you're sick of me now.) And no, I'd rather not even start asking you to do it for me. Question: sticky posts in group forums?"

Flare says, "Actually, I wouldn't care - I disable it on my browser anyway."

You say, "No javascript for regular users. However, the advanced stuff like the php parser is avalible to the webmaster role. So if you wanted to dev something bad enough..."

Riverdale says, "I don't, particularly."

Riverdale says, "I write enough JavaScript as it is."

Riverdale says, "I don't need to do more of it in my free time."

You say, "Marie...in theory, in the edit tab, publishing options. I think it should but I haven't tested it."

>> The game will paws in two minutes to save changed objects. <<

Ripclaw arrives with a large yawn.

Ripclaw has arrived.

Ripclaw says, "I forgot to ask something XP"

Ripclaw asks, "Is there a way to delete forum posts? "

>> Pawsing to save changed objects. <<

>> Save Complete. Next save will be in an hour or so. <<

Marie says, "New topic > no edit tab. Old post > Edit tab > no publishing options. I'll ask you later. It's 11:45 and I'm about to spontaneously combust."

Marie exclaims, "Thanks so much for all the work you're doing for us!"

Ajax waves off Marie!

Riverdale waves.

Ajax exclaims, "Ya'll come back now you here! "

Ajax exclaims, "Hear even! "

Marie has disconnected.

Riverdale turns to Ajax. "She's not coming back."

Ripclaw room-pages, "Nvm I found the delete button".

Ripclaw goes home.

Ripclaw has left.

Ajax sniffles.

Ajax sobs.

Riverdale inquires, "Or is she?"

Ajax looks up at Riverdale with wide hopeful eyes.

Riverdale ewws. Dead cat face.

Ajax looks as cute as a dead cat can look.

Ajax pokes Flare.

Ajax Pokes Zoe too.

Zoe_Lang is poked.

Zoe_Lang asks, "What'd I do?"

Ajax exclaims, "Just seeing if your alive!"

Riverdale says, "Ajax abhors a vacuum."

You say, "I'm rather running out of life myself. ...well I'm kinda allready dead but that's beside the point."

Ajax snickers. :P

Flare asks, "WTB stam?"

Ajax says, "Well, I think that's all anybody has to add as far as the groups meeting goes. ^.^ "

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